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	<description>Where Plato and Prada Meet</description>
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		<title>By: La BellaDonna</title>
		<link>http://almostgirl.coffeespoons.org/?p=407&#038;cpage=1#comment-1264</link>
		<dc:creator>La BellaDonna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2005 19:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stepping right up and standing shoulder to shoulder with Final Fashion.  Yes; one woman I know found out I sew, and was affronted when I said, &quot;No.  I do not make Halloween costumes.&quot;  Most of the time, these days, I just show my teeth at people and say, &quot;You can&#039;t afford me,&quot; because it&#039;s God&#039;s honest truth.  They&#039;ve all heard, back in the dim dark days of Home Ec, that It&#039;s Cheaper If You Sew It Yourself.  That&#039;s &lt;b&gt;yourself,&lt;/b&gt; folks, and these days, it&#039;s generally not true, but it sure as heck isn&#039;t true if you want something custom made.  I was grumbling over a coat I&#039;d made which needs some refurbishing, and I&#039;d only been wearing it, let&#039;s see, one two three ... &lt;i&gt;seventeen years.&lt;/i&gt;  In the worst weather Philadelphia can offer.  And it still looks very sharp indeed; it just needs a little upkeep, and it will look just as sharp for the next seventeen years, during which I will definitely be wearing it.

It is good that the poor have access to cheap fashion; I&#039;m not so sure that it&#039;s good that the rich have access to cheap fashion.  And I don&#039;t know what &quot;everyone&quot; will do when there isn&#039;t any cheap fashion any more, but you and I, Final Fashion, will still be stylin&#039;, because we make it ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stepping right up and standing shoulder to shoulder with Final Fashion.  Yes; one woman I know found out I sew, and was affronted when I said, &#8220;No.  I do not make Halloween costumes.&#8221;  Most of the time, these days, I just show my teeth at people and say, &#8220;You can&#8217;t afford me,&#8221; because it&#8217;s God&#8217;s honest truth.  They&#8217;ve all heard, back in the dim dark days of Home Ec, that It&#8217;s Cheaper If You Sew It Yourself.  That&#8217;s <b>yourself,</b> folks, and these days, it&#8217;s generally not true, but it sure as heck isn&#8217;t true if you want something custom made.  I was grumbling over a coat I&#8217;d made which needs some refurbishing, and I&#8217;d only been wearing it, let&#8217;s see, one two three &#8230; <i>seventeen years.</i>  In the worst weather Philadelphia can offer.  And it still looks very sharp indeed; it just needs a little upkeep, and it will look just as sharp for the next seventeen years, during which I will definitely be wearing it.</p>
<p>It is good that the poor have access to cheap fashion; I&#8217;m not so sure that it&#8217;s good that the rich have access to cheap fashion.  And I don&#8217;t know what &#8220;everyone&#8221; will do when there isn&#8217;t any cheap fashion any more, but you and I, Final Fashion, will still be stylin&#8217;, because we make it ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
		<link>http://almostgirl.coffeespoons.org/?p=407&#038;cpage=1#comment-1225</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2005 01:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a basic appreciation is important, and by basic I mean understanding the world around you.

And actually yes I understand how an awful lot of that happens because my education (Waldorf) was centered on just those sorts of question. The ones I have less understanding of are environmental regulations and the Middle East (though I am pretty up on my politics). And I am not brighter or more intelligent than your average person, I am simply the product of a very complete education that is made for regular children. Trust me on it, Waldorf education gives you a much more complete and holistic view of the world

Something has to give yes but just because we can&#039;t understand every last detail doesn&#039;t mean we shouldn&#039;t know some of them. I believe in a top-down approach. Give an appreciation for the connections and the big picture and then when you have interest and time fill in the details</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a basic appreciation is important, and by basic I mean understanding the world around you.</p>
<p>And actually yes I understand how an awful lot of that happens because my education (Waldorf) was centered on just those sorts of question. The ones I have less understanding of are environmental regulations and the Middle East (though I am pretty up on my politics). And I am not brighter or more intelligent than your average person, I am simply the product of a very complete education that is made for regular children. Trust me on it, Waldorf education gives you a much more complete and holistic view of the world</p>
<p>Something has to give yes but just because we can&#8217;t understand every last detail doesn&#8217;t mean we shouldn&#8217;t know some of them. I believe in a top-down approach. Give an appreciation for the connections and the big picture and then when you have interest and time fill in the details</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy W</title>
		<link>http://almostgirl.coffeespoons.org/?p=407&#038;cpage=1#comment-1224</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2005 01:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You appear to be arguing that everyone should understand where their clothing comes from and appreicate good quality.

This is a noble aim, but I wonder how practical it is in the real world.  Do you feel that you understand and appreciate:
 - how the electricity industry works, from generation to transmission to distribution
 - how your refrigerator works
 - how clean drinking water is delivered to your house, from collection to delivery
 - how sewage is removed from your house
 - how to design enjoyable central city areas 
 - how to design an energy-efficient building
 - how to design effective environmental regulations
 - the principles behind the design of robust bridges, roads, buildings
 - traffic engineering, e.g. where to place the roads, bridges, etc
 - how the internet works
 - the pros and cons of health care decisions
 - what&#039;s happening in the Middle East
 - etc, etc

Our lives are just too complex for everyone to know about everything that is happening.   Something is going to give for every one of us.    </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You appear to be arguing that everyone should understand where their clothing comes from and appreicate good quality.</p>
<p>This is a noble aim, but I wonder how practical it is in the real world.  Do you feel that you understand and appreciate:<br />
 &#8211; how the electricity industry works, from generation to transmission to distribution<br />
 &#8211; how your refrigerator works<br />
 &#8211; how clean drinking water is delivered to your house, from collection to delivery<br />
 &#8211; how sewage is removed from your house<br />
 &#8211; how to design enjoyable central city areas<br />
 &#8211; how to design an energy-efficient building<br />
 &#8211; how to design effective environmental regulations<br />
 &#8211; the principles behind the design of robust bridges, roads, buildings<br />
 &#8211; traffic engineering, e.g. where to place the roads, bridges, etc<br />
 &#8211; how the internet works<br />
 &#8211; the pros and cons of health care decisions<br />
 &#8211; what&#8217;s happening in the Middle East<br />
 &#8211; etc, etc</p>
<p>Our lives are just too complex for everyone to know about everything that is happening.   Something is going to give for every one of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Paula Dansie</title>
		<link>http://almostgirl.coffeespoons.org/?p=407&#038;cpage=1#comment-1083</link>
		<dc:creator>Paula Dansie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In preparation for the office Christmas party (yes I know it&#039;s not for a while but I&#039;m a woman and excited about it) I decided to buy a funky designer outfit, I&#039;m a girl and that&#039;s what we do for these things. Whilst shopping around online I found on the Debenhams site the most gorgeous purple feather embellished jersey dress and a green knitted frilled shrug to go with it, and as it&#039;s getting a bit chilly, I thought I best buy a honey sheepskin scarf and now my outfit is complete and I am going to look divine all thanks to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.debenhams.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Betty Jackson&lt;/a&gt;. I have never seen her clothes before but now I have these clothes she&#039;s one fashion designer I shall be watching out for on my regular clothes shopping trips.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In preparation for the office Christmas party (yes I know it&#8217;s not for a while but I&#8217;m a woman and excited about it) I decided to buy a funky designer outfit, I&#8217;m a girl and that&#8217;s what we do for these things. Whilst shopping around online I found on the Debenhams site the most gorgeous purple feather embellished jersey dress and a green knitted frilled shrug to go with it, and as it&#8217;s getting a bit chilly, I thought I best buy a honey sheepskin scarf and now my outfit is complete and I am going to look divine all thanks to <a href="http://www.debenhams.com" rel="nofollow">Betty Jackson</a>. I have never seen her clothes before but now I have these clothes she&#8217;s one fashion designer I shall be watching out for on my regular clothes shopping trips.</p>
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		<title>By: Lesley from Fashiontribes.com</title>
		<link>http://almostgirl.coffeespoons.org/?p=407&#038;cpage=1#comment-1053</link>
		<dc:creator>Lesley from Fashiontribes.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2005 17:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fast food approach to fashion really has created a world of &quot;fast fashion&quot; mass-chains, disposable fashion &amp; and young design talent left with two choices:

1. Put your design dreams on hold - possibly permanently - and work for The Man.
2. Reconcile yourself to the possibility of bankruptcy if decide to brave the risky waters of the independent designer.

Yikes. 
http://fashiontribes.typepad.com/main/2005/11/tk_black_friday_1.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fast food approach to fashion really has created a world of &#8220;fast fashion&#8221; mass-chains, disposable fashion &amp; and young design talent left with two choices:</p>
<p>1. Put your design dreams on hold &#8211; possibly permanently &#8211; and work for The Man.<br />
2. Reconcile yourself to the possibility of bankruptcy if decide to brave the risky waters of the independent designer.</p>
<p>Yikes.<br />
<a href="http://fashiontribes.typepad.com/main/2005/11/tk_black_friday_1.html" rel="nofollow">http://fashiontribes.typepad.com/main/2005/11/tk_black_friday_1.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
		<link>http://almostgirl.coffeespoons.org/?p=407&#038;cpage=1#comment-1052</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to have your support Sam! Spread the word! Let&#039;s stop the insanity!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to have your support Sam! Spread the word! Let&#8217;s stop the insanity!</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Francois</title>
		<link>http://almostgirl.coffeespoons.org/?p=407&#038;cpage=1#comment-1051</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Francois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2005 15:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you ladies, your idea is one that is long overdue. Good Luck! =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you ladies, your idea is one that is long overdue. Good Luck! =)</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
		<link>http://almostgirl.coffeespoons.org/?p=407&#038;cpage=1#comment-1050</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2005 14:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a dilemma isn&#039;t it? I can&#039;t afford the good stuff, or at least I tell myself I can&#039;t but I adore fashion. I have always puzzled over seeing little African children in Mickey Mouse tee-shirts in the middle of the Savannah. With an ever growing planet how does everyone enjoy quality? I guess my answer is have less. Instead of having a million disposable pairs of shoes I have my one pair of trusty Prada pumps (I even write odes to me them) that will last me through the years. The trouble is we need to be able to budget and save for our clothing, as a credit card nation obsessed with having it NOW I think that is difficult for us.

Dana, I saw the post on Papier Doll! hysterical!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a dilemma isn&#8217;t it? I can&#8217;t afford the good stuff, or at least I tell myself I can&#8217;t but I adore fashion. I have always puzzled over seeing little African children in Mickey Mouse tee-shirts in the middle of the Savannah. With an ever growing planet how does everyone enjoy quality? I guess my answer is have less. Instead of having a million disposable pairs of shoes I have my one pair of trusty Prada pumps (I even write odes to me them) that will last me through the years. The trouble is we need to be able to budget and save for our clothing, as a credit card nation obsessed with having it NOW I think that is difficult for us.</p>
<p>Dana, I saw the post on Papier Doll! hysterical!</p>
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		<title>By: Dana</title>
		<link>http://almostgirl.coffeespoons.org/?p=407&#038;cpage=1#comment-1049</link>
		<dc:creator>Dana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2005 12:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saw the funniest post from a guy on Papierdoll&#039;s blog about Black Friday Blogging. This thing is really taking off, who knows it might really work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saw the funniest post from a guy on Papierdoll&#8217;s blog about Black Friday Blogging. This thing is really taking off, who knows it might really work.</p>
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		<title>By: final fashion</title>
		<link>http://almostgirl.coffeespoons.org/?p=407&#038;cpage=1#comment-1048</link>
		<dc:creator>final fashion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2005 11:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fast food = fast fashion.  Great idea!

This reminds me of when people learn I know how to sew and they sometimes want me to make some kind of custom item for them.  When I was a little younger I was dumb enough to say yes.  They don&#039;t understand that we have to go through design/development... that fabric bought retail is expensive... that it will probably take two fittings at least.... that I need a few days to work on it (about a week to fit it into my crazy life).  They have this kooky idea that so-called &quot;home sewing&quot; is cheaper than fast fashion and shouldn&#039;t take that much longer then fast fashion.  They don&#039;t get that I spend time drafting and sewing the first prototype, making changes and sewing yet again.  And then when I hand them the bill (fabric, other materials, hours, overhead) they scream bloody hell about the price.  (The cheapest tops I do I charge at least a hundred dollars... and those are for the simplest knit tops).

This is why I only work for designers now.  At least they have a clue that I&#039;m actually working and deserve my pay, not magically waving my magic wand and charging them the shaft...

Now that I&#039;ve ranted, I want to cry over fast fashion.  Is it a good thing that the poorest have access to fashion?  Or is it a bad thing that the rich now have access to cheap fashion?  And what will everyone do when there isn&#039;t any cheap fashion anymore?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fast food = fast fashion.  Great idea!</p>
<p>This reminds me of when people learn I know how to sew and they sometimes want me to make some kind of custom item for them.  When I was a little younger I was dumb enough to say yes.  They don&#8217;t understand that we have to go through design/development&#8230; that fabric bought retail is expensive&#8230; that it will probably take two fittings at least&#8230;. that I need a few days to work on it (about a week to fit it into my crazy life).  They have this kooky idea that so-called &#8220;home sewing&#8221; is cheaper than fast fashion and shouldn&#8217;t take that much longer then fast fashion.  They don&#8217;t get that I spend time drafting and sewing the first prototype, making changes and sewing yet again.  And then when I hand them the bill (fabric, other materials, hours, overhead) they scream bloody hell about the price.  (The cheapest tops I do I charge at least a hundred dollars&#8230; and those are for the simplest knit tops).</p>
<p>This is why I only work for designers now.  At least they have a clue that I&#8217;m actually working and deserve my pay, not magically waving my magic wand and charging them the shaft&#8230;</p>
<p>Now that I&#8217;ve ranted, I want to cry over fast fashion.  Is it a good thing that the poorest have access to fashion?  Or is it a bad thing that the rich now have access to cheap fashion?  And what will everyone do when there isn&#8217;t any cheap fashion anymore?</p>
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		<title>By: fizure</title>
		<link>http://almostgirl.coffeespoons.org/?p=407&#038;cpage=1#comment-1047</link>
		<dc:creator>fizure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2005 08:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wholeheartedly agree. I saw your post on Clusterfuck Nation... I&#039;d like to participate--but as things have it have to go visit an ill relative this next week... but I&#039;ll try to participate from there, i&#039;ll be bring me laptop.

All Best,
fizure</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wholeheartedly agree. I saw your post on Clusterfuck Nation&#8230; I&#8217;d like to participate&#8211;but as things have it have to go visit an ill relative this next week&#8230; but I&#8217;ll try to participate from there, i&#8217;ll be bring me laptop.</p>
<p>All Best,<br />
fizure</p>
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